Rules and Procedures of Council.

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Rules and Procedures of Council.

Postby PNB » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:46 am

All,

The three yearly review of FRC Rules and Procedures of FRC, is currently being undertaken. The 2006 version became available on the FRC web site over the Christmas Holidays.

It is unfortunate that the review coincides with the newly elected FRC membership taking their seats!! It appears they are not invited to place comment or be involved in the rules review as they are deemed to be not full elected members yet!!

The serving members of FRC have been invited to document comment for a review. An anomaly has occurred that at the next meeting I will be the only elected member still sitting who has been afforded the opportunity to have reviewed the Rules And Procedures of FRC. The other existing elected members have either not been reelected or have retired.

I request if any farrier or farriery related solicitor has comments on the FRC Rules and Procedures that they contact me, pnbaker@tiscali.co.uk or 07879817175. I undertake that I will record as far as possible any spoken views, and append any written responses to my suggestions regarding this review.

I have very strong views on the Rules and Procedures of FRC, have felt their sharp end, in particular they appear to gag elected FRC members of FRC from making open comment, and I feel appendix 5 of the RULES do not afford a member of council "the rights of the person" he should be afforded!!

Your written comments would be very much appreciated!

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UKHSA solicitors initial response.

Postby PNB » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:25 pm

All,

UKHSA has requested on behalf of its members, that its Solicitors, Knights of Tunbridge Wells, give opinion on the Rules and Procedures of FRC, and specifically Appendix 5, as it effects the natural rights of the FRC elected members.

The initial response being drawn from an early comment, is caution should be observed before signing, as full consideration may not be being given to the rights of the individual.

An in depth analysis of appendix 5 has been as a consequence been requested.

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Postby mr p » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:54 pm

About time they had a shake up! Mr B, have NAFBE accepted your membership this year?

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Postby PNB » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Mr P,

Sadly they have just confirmed that I am still excluded from membership.

One ray of light, Cliff B is strongly against this, but he was working in Africa when the decision was made.

What is particularly galling about this whole affair, is I have never been shown a valid reason why I am excluded, save the excuse that some sad person posted porno on the UKHSU board, which offended Les Armstrong!! A matter over which I had no control, save taking it down the first time I saw it. Sadly Les sat up all night waiting for it to appear, copied it into hard copy and circulated to NAFB&AE.

The second thing being, I was not informed of an avenue of appeal until after the time for appeal had elapsed!!

My attitude is however and was from the day I was excluded, that if the NAFB&AE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE don't want all working farriers to be their members that's fine with me. How ever I don't understand the analogy that unless you are a good committee person and toe the line we would rather exclude your as a member than try to debate the rights of what we are doing, which seems to be the case here.

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Postby john ford » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:37 pm

I can't see any problem within this ruling that should cause such concern for you Peter and Stuart. To me it reads as no more than common sense.

CONFIDENTIALITY
134. The meetings of the Council shall be open to the public unless the Council
specifically directs otherwise on the grounds that disclosure of the business to be
conducted at any particular time would be contrary to the commercial or other
interests of the Council or of any person (whether individual or corporate) likely
to be identified in the proposed course of Council business. The minutes of
Council, and its Committees, once approved or considered by Council, as
appropriate, by Council, shall be non-confidential unless specifically designated
as confidential.
135. The papers of meetings of the Council and its Committees, and details of Council
or Committee discussions not open to the public shall remain confidential to
Members of the Council and Council’s staff unless Council agrees that they may
be made public.
ADMISSION OF THE PUBLIC AND PRESS
136. The public and representatives of the press shall be afforded facilities to attend
all formal meetings of the Council and Disciplinary Committee, but shall be
required to withdraw upon the Council or Committee agreeing that the public
should be excluded and the reasons for this being recorded in the minutes.

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Postby PNB » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:27 pm

John,

Why do you think it concerns Stuart??

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Postby mr p » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:28 pm

Mr B, sounds like you have been black balled, I did'nt realise NAFBE was a private members club!?

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You see my point then!!

Postby PNB » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:38 pm

John,

I don't have a problem either with rules 134, 135, 136, they are clear concise and absolute!!

Any breaches of rules 134, 135, 136, require the nominated members so in breach, to be replaced by their nominating bodies!!

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Mr P, Come to think of it it seems that black balled and private members club is not such a remote possibility.

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Postby john ford » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:46 pm

If it is so clear Peter, then why wont you and Stuart sign the confidential agreement clause and both become complete representatives on the FRC for all farriers in the UK?

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Postby PNB » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:19 pm

John,

What do you know about Stuart that he doesn't know about himself??

From my view point what do you know about me that I don't yet know about??

The rules you quote are not and have never been an issue, I whole heartily agree with rules 134 to 136 in fact and in principle. Whether in pratice they have proved workable is something else however!!

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Postby csc » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:08 am

may i speak for myself
peter and i are not joined at the hip what peter says i don't always agree with
firstly council must at some times have to deal with issues that may be of a personal nature or sensitive for the good of farriery temporary this i accept
when i have had time to take legal advise and read the contents i will decide

regarding nafbae and peters situation peter was invited to go and speak to them at the time but declined so unless peter apologises this will not move forward
did peter do any wrong doing or did i.
we were accused of putting nafbea down on this forum regarding our views
persons have tried to stop this forum as peter states.
persons from both nafbae and the ukhsa have written inflammatory articles
BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO FREE SPEACH OR DEBATE
this forum still exists sadly though nafbaes doesn't
those in charge want a easylife and jump on and of the fence with there secret society eg are we professionals as we have been told or tradesmen the reality


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