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Postby csc » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:56 pm

Yes this report is quite damming and i do feel one sided again its the ATFs who seem to look rather bad more than most the ofstead report seems to be 100% PRO APPRENTICE highlighting the incompedence of the ATF, NFTA. and colleges, the report is inpractical higlighting the need for females and ethnics, ticking there politically corect boxes .infact ofstead is our equall and no better than the NFTA, FRC,ATFs a product of the nanny state, our equall so i give OFSTEAD 4

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:36 pm

The Report.

National Farrier Training Agency

Independent learning provider

Inspection dates

18–22 February 2013

Overall effectiveness

This inspection:

Inadequate-4

Previous inspection:

Good-2

Outcomes for learners

Requires improvement-3

Quality of teaching, learning and assessment

Inadequate-4

Effectiveness of leadership and management

Inadequate-4



Summary of key findings for learners

This provider is inadequate because:

. Progress is too slow for just over half the apprentices and they fail to complete within the
planned timescale. Apprentices aged 19 to 24 do poorly compared to the younger apprentices.
. Whilst apprentices training with caring and interested approved training farriers (ATFs) enjoy
their training those working with poor ATFs often have a difficult and poor experience of the
training programme.
. Assessment of apprentices’ practical skills and coursework does not happen often enough and
the feedback apprentices receive on their work is often late and unhelpful.
. College trainers make too many apprentices repeat the six monthly blocks of college training
and the reasons are not always fair or in the apprentices’ best interests.
. Apprentices report significant examples of bullying, abuse and humiliation by ATFs, and in a very
small minority of cases by college trainers, which have not been identified or dealt with
appropriately by the NFTA. Apprentices’ interests and needs are not at the heart of the training
and in too many cases they are anxious to speak out against poor treatment since they do not
think they will be believed or that the NFTA will support them.
. NFTA has not estimated current and future needs for qualified farriers and it is not clear
whether the country is under or over producing farriers, or the extent of employment and
business opportunities for farriers when they complete their training.

Full report

What does the provider need to do to improve further?

. Introduce robust and thorough monitoring of both on- and off-the-job training in order to
ensure a consistently high standard of teaching, learning and assessment for all apprentices.
. Ensure that all apprentices receive suitably detailed, constructive and developmental feedback
on work completed during on-the-job training and in college blocks. Ensure managers put a
system in place so that when apprentices send work to college trainers outside of college blocks
it receives prompt attention and they receive comprehensive and helpful feedback.
. Ensure sufficient learning support is available for all apprentices during both on- and off-the-job
training. Ensure sufficient information is available for learning support coordinators so that they
can make the best use of their time with apprentices during individual meetings.
. Carry out a full strategic review to evaluate the number of farriers needed to meet local and
national needs in order to plan recruitment effectively and help to ensure viable employment for
all apprentices at the end of their programme.
. Conduct a thorough and comprehensive evaluation of the programme structure and content to
modernise it. Ensure the programme provides apprentices with relevant training, which meets
industry needs and reflects current farriery practice.
. Improve the recruitment and training of ATFs to ensure that they have the attributes and skills
to provide high quality training and effective guidance and support for all apprentices. Develop a
programme of training and standard setting activities to support their development as trainers.
. Consider carefully and consult stakeholders, including apprentices, on the value, appropriateness
and purpose of ‘back-blocking’: a process by which apprentices have to wait six-months to
repeat a block of college training. Ensure strict guidelines for the use of back-blocking to prevent
it being used in a punitive and subjective way.
. Introduce an effective and robust system to monitor and protect the welfare of apprentices.
Stamp out bullying and exploitation of apprentices by taking immediate and strong action.
Ensure all parties involved in the programme recognise and respect their individual rights and
responsibilities.

Inspection judgements

Outcomes for learners

Requires improvement

. The overall success rate for apprentices of all ages is good and above average, however this
success rate has been declining over the last three years. Apprentices aged 19 to 24, do not
achieve as well as younger apprentices. In 2011/12, their success rate was just below the
average for this age group.
. Progress is too slow for just over half the apprentices and they fail to complete their training
within the planned timescale of four years and two months. Although numbers of female
apprentices are low, the proportion who complete within the planned timescale has been
consistently lower than for male apprentices over the past three years.
. Whilst apprentices working with caring and interested ATFs enjoy their training, those with poor
ATFs often have a difficult and poor experience of the training programme. These apprentices
make slower progress and become less confident and anxious about their ability to succeed.
Attendance at college for too many apprentices is a worrying prospect, particularly those not

well prepared by their ATF. Some apprentices report that a very small minority of college
trainers show them little respect and humiliate them.
. Apprentices’ understanding of their rights and responsibilities at work are poorly developed since
in too many cases their anxiety at speaking out against poor treatment compounds their view
that they have few rights.
. Successful apprentices develop good farriery skills and progress into employment and often self-
employment, but it is unclear whether this progression meets the industry’s national and local
priorities for qualified farriers since the NFTA has a poor understanding of what these might be.

The quality of teaching, learning and assessment

Inadequate

. Teaching, learning and assessment are inadequate and do not enable enough apprentices to
achieve within the planned time. The apprenticeship programme is inflexible and all apprentices
follow the same programme, regardless of their capability. There is no facility for able
apprentices to make faster progress. Too many apprentices repeat blocks of college training and
have to wait six months to do so. The reasons for this back-blocking are not always fair nor in
the best interests of the apprentices. A significant minority of apprentices repeat blocks several
times or repeat more than one block.
. Apprentices training with the better ATFs experience high quality training and support in the
workplace developing good practical and employability skills. These ATFs support apprentices
well; they provide a good learning environment and are enthusiastic trainers. They provide out-
of-work-hours activities such as shoe-making workshops and encourage participation in shoeing
competitions. However, too many ATFs do not meet these standards and fail to train
apprentices or provide the resources they need to develop their farriery skills to the required
standard.
. The quality of teaching by college trainers is too variable, within and between colleges, and does
not meet apprentices’ individual needs. Apprentices that are more able do not receive sufficient
challenge to progress more quickly or develop higher-level skills. The college trainers leave
these apprentices with little to do while focusing on weaker members of their group. Surveys
show that apprentices are less satisfied with one college and the reasons for this have not been
investigated by the NFTA.
. Assessors do not carry out sufficiently frequent assessments of apprentices’ practical skills and
course work since assessment only occurs during the six–monthly college blocks. The feedback
apprentices receive on work produced between blocks is delayed until the next college
attendance, even if apprentices send work in during the six-month gap. The feedback college
trainers provide lacks detail and does not contain specific guidance to help apprentices improve.
. In too many cases the reasons for the grade awarded by college trainers are unclear and both
apprentices and ATFs are confused about how to achieve better grades. College
trainers/assessors, ATFs and field officers do not always share the same expectations for the
standard of work produced by apprentices, and this disadvantages a very small minority of
apprentices. For example, work an ATF finds good might only be just satisfactory at college.
College trainers do not use information learning technology sufficiently to support learning. E-
learning or online learning is not available to all apprentices during the six-month gap between
college attendances.
. Action planning and target setting are ineffective and do not help apprentices to make good
progress. College action plans are simply a generic list of tasks apprentices should complete
before the next block rather than specific actions they need to take. Targets set by field officers
during progress reviews are unhelpful since they are too broad, for example advising
apprentices to revise or carry on making more shoes. These broad targets do not help
apprentices and ATFs to focus on the specific skill or knowledge that needs to be developed.
. The NTFA identifies a high number of apprentices as having additional learning needs. The
colleges use different criteria to identify when apprentices receive support, so that apprentices
with the same needs may not always be offered comparable support. The NTFA does not plan
effectively to meet apprentices’ individual needs at college or in the workplace. The learning
support coordinators in the colleges provide good support both at college and in the workplace.
However, the coordinators’ visits are too infrequent and they do not have the all the information
they need to make the best use of their time with apprentices.
. Progress reviews carried out by the field officers in the workplace do not support apprentices to
achieve on time. For many apprentices, particularly those who are not making good progress,
the six monthly reviews in the workplace are not frequent enough and do not help them to stay
on track or ensure they are ready for their next college block.
. Trainers and field officers’ understanding and promotion of equality and diversity are poor. A
significant minority of ATFs are poor role models since their own conduct shows little
understanding of equality or appreciation of the broader aspects of diversity, such as showing
respect for others.
. Examples of bullying and exploitation of apprentices in the workplace are not identified or
resolved adequately by the care, support and guidance provided by the NFTA. In the worst
cases, apprentices receive verbal abuse and are required to carry out tasks that are humiliating
or are not in any way related to the requirements of the apprenticeship. In other cases, ATFs
use the apprentices’ fear of losing their employment to make unreasonable demands about their
working conditions. The NFTA does not tackle these practices and the use of back-blocking
disadvantages apprentices whose ATFs fail to provide them with adequate training or resources.

The effectiveness of leadership and management

Inadequate

. Strategic leadership is ineffective in raising standards, modernising provision and protecting the
interests of apprentices. The recent strategic review of apprenticeship provision has not resulted
in modernised training or ensured the training meets the current farriery industry’s needs.
. The NFTA uses overly negative or punitive language in much of its documentation and this fails
to raise apprentices’ aspirations or set high enough expectations for those involved in providing
the on- and off-the-job training. Apprentices’ welfare and needs do not appear to be at the
heart of the provision. The Board, the management of the NFTA, and the Farriers Registration
Council (FRC) have not prioritised apprentices’ rights, welfare and enjoyment of the programme
sufficiently. Programme documentation fails to promote these aspects of provision adequately.
. Course guides and publicity are out of date, inaccurate and unwelcoming. Website content does
not encourage women and people with minority ethnic heritage to apply for apprenticeships,
despite their very poor representation in enrolments across the past six years. Many apprentices
feel they are blamed for problems in programme design and management. For example,
significant numbers of apprentices are back-blocked for six-months for weaknesses in training
that are not in their control, or are back-blocked for reasons that appear to them to be unfair
and subjective.
. Training, direction, oversight and performance management of ATFs is inadequate. The NTFA
does not hold ATFs sufficiently accountable for their conduct, or for the standards of training
provided for apprentices. Field officers’ six-monthly visits to apprentices at ATFs’ premises are
ineffective in identifying those ATFs who provide little or no training, too little forge time, or who
consistently bully and abuse apprentices. A significant number of apprentices feel that field
officers are unobservant or uncaring about matters pertaining to their welfare and the quality of
their training. ATFs receive too little on-going training or development to help them to develop
their training skills.
. The NFTA has not identified that progress review processes fail to promote learning, secure
progress and protect apprentices’ welfare. No effective system is in place to assure the quality of
field officers’ work, which varies from inadequate in most cases to excellent in a few.
. The NFTA’s quality assurance of teaching, learning and assessment during college blocks is
inadequate and fails to secure good progress, or apprentices’ welfare and security. The FRC
Board’s ‘visitation panel’ does not provide adequate critical oversight of college provision. Their
visits to colleges do not focus sufficiently on the quality of training, learning and assessment for
apprentices. Visitation panel reports are largely descriptive, insufficiently judgemental and are
overly concerned with resources and activities. The panel does not evaluate the quality of
training observed effectively in order to ensure accountability of trainers or improve the
experience of apprentices. For a minority of apprentices, their experience of college blocks is
characterised by anxiety both about the standards required at assessment and the poor
transparency around the application of ‘back-blocking’.
. The NFTA’s self-assessment is unrealistic and ineffective. Most of the problems identified during
inspection had been brought to the attention of managers and Board, but no effective or
concerted action was taken to review programme structure, delivery or purpose. Sub-contracted
colleges are not required to conduct self-assessment of college block provision, and college staff
do not contribute text to the annual self-assessment report. Apprentices’ views are gathered in
surveys and the responses are collated and subject to comparative analysis by an external
agency. However, the trends in apprentices’ comments and the areas for improvement identified
in surveys receive inadequate analysis or response within the NFTA.
. The current apprenticeship programme is ineffective in meeting apprentices’ and national needs.
Enrolment onto the programme is governed entirely by ATFs’ requests for apprentices, rather
than any accountable strategy driven by the needs of the industry for the future provision of
qualified farriers or the maintenance of a viable farriery industry. The Board and the FRC have
been ineffective in applying a coherent strategy which will rationalise the numbers of farriers
trained in future years, despite the calls for such work from many registered farriers and a
number of stakeholder bodies
. College trainers, field officers and ATFs inadequately promote and reinforce equality and
diversity. Women make up only between three and four per cent of each cohort of apprentices,
and across the past two years no apprentices from minority ethnic groups have successfully
completed the apprenticeship. No strategy exists to increase diversity of enrolments, and course
materials are weak in their presentation of under-represented groups. Female apprentices are
less likely to succeed on the programme, and a high proportion of the few female apprentices
have experienced poor treatment from ATFs. The promotion of equality and diversity during
reviews by field officers and by college trainers during teaching sessions is poor.
. Safeguarding of apprentices is weak, with examples of abuse, humiliation and harassment of
apprentices by ATFs. Serious allegations of physical and verbal bullying and harassment by ATFs
are not investigated effectively. Too often the outcome of such complaints penalises the
apprentice. Many apprentices are afraid to raise concerns because they have no confidence in
the NFTA’s grievance and complaints procedures.

Record of Main Findings (RMF)

National Farriery Training Agency

Inspection grades are based on a provider’s performance:

1: Outstanding

2: Good

3: Requires improvement

4: Inadequate

Overall

14-16 Learning
programmes

16-18 Learning
programmes

19+ Learning
programmes

Apprenticeships

Other work- based
learning

Employability

Foundation Learning

Community learning

Overall effectiveness

4

4

Outcomes for learners

3

3

The quality of teaching, learning
and assessment

4

4

The effectiveness of leadership and management

4

4

Subject areas graded for the quality of teaching, learning and assessment

Grade

Equine studies

4


Provider details

National Farriery Training Agency

Type of provider

Independent learning provider

Age range of learners

16+

Approximate number of all learners over the previous full contract year

Full-time: 537

Part-time:

Principal/CEO

Neville Higgins

Date of previous inspection

April 2011

Website address http://www.farrierytraining.co.uk

Provider information at the time of the inspection

Main course or learning programme level

Level 1 or below

Level 2

Level 3

Level 4

and above

Total number of learners
(excluding apprenticeships)

16-18

19+

16-18

19+

16-18

19+

16-18

19+

Full-time

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Part-time

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A



Number of apprentices by Apprenticeship level and age

Intermediate

Advanced

Higher

16-18

19+

16-18

19+

16-18

19+

N/A

N/A

232

165

N/A

N/A



Number of learners aged 14-16

N/A

Number of community learners

N/A

Number of employability learners

N/A

Funding received from Skills Funding Agency (SFA)

At the time of inspection the provider contracts with the following main subcontractors:

. Herefordshire College of Technology
. Myerscough College
. Warwickshire College



Additional socio-economic information

The NFTA is based in Peterborough where it has an operations manager and some 30 support
staff, including three college administrators. The NFTA is a division of the FRC. The FRC receives
funding from the Skills Funding Agency for apprentices training throughout England, Wales,
Scotland and Northern Ireland. The NFTA manages the provision of the advanced apprenticeship
in farriery and is the sole provider of this qualification. By law, all practising farriers must be
registered with the FRC and the apprenticeship qualification is a requirement of this registration.
All apprentices are employed by ATFs who provide the on-the-job training. No assessment takes
place in the workplace. Off-the-job training and assessment is carried out by three specialist
colleges during block release periods of between two and four weeks, every six months throughout
the apprenticeship. A field officer visits the apprentice in the workplace between college blocks.


Information about this inspection

Lead inspector

Jo Parkman HMI

Four of Her Majesty’s Inspectors (HMI) and three additional inspectors, assisted by the operations
manager as nominee, carried out the inspection with short notice. Inspectors took account of the
provider’s most recent self-assessment report and development plans, and the previous inspection
report. Inspectors also used data on learners’ achievements over the last three years to help them
make judgements. Inspectors used group and individual interviews, telephone calls and online
questionnaires to gather the views of learners and employers; these views are reflected
throughout the report. They observed learning sessions, assessments and progress reviews. The
inspection took into account all of the provision at the provider. Inspectors looked at the quality of
teaching, learning and assessment across all of the provision and graded the sector subject area in
the report above.

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Grade

Judgement

Grade 1

Outstanding

Grade 2

Good

Grade 3

Requires improvement

Grade 4

Inadequate

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:44 pm

Stuart,

I feel the construction of this thread [Ofsted Report] is little differant to the way you see it. Without employers there could be no apprentices! Then you cannot kigk the ATF, being an ATF is a mythical title afforded to AN EMPLOYER to enable FRC/NFTA to draw down and as it now appears as highlighted by Ofsted to waste vast government funding. Employers will and in fact can!! only train their apprentices in the way they need them to do the job in order to earn both the employer and employee their living. Does the APPRENTICE CONSEPT need any/a lot more.

Ofsted clearly see the NFTA as "NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE"! It appears the NFTA administrative control is viewed as little better than ineffective if not counter productive!

Is it due time to distruct the whole Apprentice/Training/Administrative system and get back to a TRUE employer/employee state, kicking our craft training into the 21st centuary ALLOWING the job asi t is done inthe 2013 street??

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:38 am

PETER we have been saying this for the last six years :agrue: ATFs and apprentices were sent a letter at the begining of the week .basically its ATF beatting season .facebook got 30 hits from angry ATFs on the first day. the NFTA are real diplomats :lol: as usuall
isnt it time for deplomacy the kind that Peter Ablett was introducing the one where problems were sorted by sensible discussions not by box tickers.
lets hope the comitte set up to look at farriery training by the new chairman of FRC will achive something.
SO THERE IS A OPERTUNITY TO GIVE NAFBAE SOME OF YOUR VIEWS thanks for downloading the report Peter

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:55 am

further to the Ofsted report the NFTA have not taken on board the vast number of criticisms ie mismanagement focusing on one only

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby ferrador » Wed May 01, 2013 4:24 am

just to clarify please , how many farriers /students in education are actually on the register in all parts ? we are consistently told numbers are not changing but yet again there appears to be more new entrants than numbers leaving ,

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Thu May 02, 2013 5:38 am

Stuart,

Your Quote, "lets hope the committee set up to look at farriery training by the new chairman of FRC will achive something ".

I understand there is a protocol that every committee set up under the Body Politic Farriery Umbrella is constituted to achieve predetermined outcome [as is suggested many times earlier in above threads by Elected FRC members ]. This conclusion was this week forwarded to me as a result of a formal question he asked of the WCF speaker at last Sunday's Hand Made Horse Shoes Day/Conference. When it was determined "Every Committee is set up so six out of ten of its members are nominees of the WCF.

I hope Cmd. Bridges is strong enough and can get a grip on this historical democratic abuse!!

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby ferrador » Fri May 03, 2013 5:07 am

PNB one of the major problems is that the vast majority of WCF members and the FRC employees is that they are not capable of holding a conversation or take part in debate because they lack the social skill of listening whilst others speak , is it ex/military ignorance and education where rank / position (civvy) takes precedent ?

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Fri May 03, 2013 5:29 am

i do not have the exact numbers but there are more being trained than leaving .
regarding NFTA the next intake is not being funded and it is a possibility that the ofstead people could put training out to tendor, the only route i can see is to privately fund apprentices in order to keep the diploma. if another provider is accepted then that could mean the end of the dip

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Fri May 03, 2013 7:31 pm

Stuart,

What does privately funded mean?

Is it that the employer who simply engages his employee [apprentice], then, is not beholden to any type of agency so pays for no central admin. As necessary the employer contracts direct with either of the three colleges when educational support is needed? because my feeling is that may well work!

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby ferrador » Sat May 04, 2013 4:35 am

there are several sources for apprentices to obtain their own student grants , it just means they have to use their own initiative to get them , they might appreciate the opportunity to learn a fine profession a bit more when if failure occurs at any point they have the finances withdrawn

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Sat May 04, 2013 5:59 am

Stuart,

Without the unnecessary cost of NFTA [about £10k each student] the amount the kids would need for college should be far less than the present £13.5K. At last Sundays get together it is reported the colleges get less than £4k, take from this the ineffective stage exams,the funding needed then could be met easily by the apprentices wages, that is if the employee got paid the FULL National Minimum Wage [as without doubt they should}.

Soon someone has to face the facts . Ofsted highlighted the whole silybus and teaching program does not meet the 2013 trade requirements, without doubt college time could be streamlined even cut in half if the modern day requirements were to be met.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Sun May 05, 2013 7:10 am

why don't the colleges take students for a 3 month course (stage 1 wrenching and clenching )then they find a employer for say 36 months then back to college for 3 months (stage2) for the dip
advantages would be they would be able to command wages, suitable work in a free market, to any farrier .
farriers would not be responsible for training .
in the last course fitting would take place and after dip they could work with farriers or start there own business if they felt confident enough

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Sun May 05, 2013 5:44 pm

Stuart,

We are getting there, modify the pre farrier course, already funded [6th form for under 19teens], now call it your "Stage One" to include a FRC satisfying qualification in Wrenching and Clenching, Horse, "Safe handling", ditch and reallocate general forging,to a new shoe making first qualification, now a specific basic shoemaking knowledge and practical basic shoe making from bar stock.

Stuart, we must have spoken about a similar outline a dozen times,it was the matrix from which we proposed a new farrier training structure [ Poe Poed then in a big way and hi-jacked by the ex-chair FRC ] we were not even listened to I gave up trying.

It seems our outline has now become an essential, except the NFTA are now broke, its a no brainer.

Sadly it is down to you to make it happen.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Mon May 06, 2013 5:30 am

the argument against is that after stage 1 that lads may try and shoe horses themselves what is your view

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Mon May 06, 2013 12:48 pm

Stuart,

That's up to the FRC to police, the same way as they do today!! See the many previous forge reports!!

Employer/Employee has to be the rule, it will open up the "Barefooters" to fair competition of that I have little doubt!!

Stuart, don't let the DONKEYS drag you down the way they did with me!!

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby Italian stallion » Thu May 09, 2013 6:45 pm

Forget about the colleges we need to start at the top, the WCF need to hold there hands up to the biggest fuck-up in years, they point the finger at every and anything as far as the blame goes.

They have ofsted bust the bubble and know tell us things must change, something pnb has been banging on about since 2006 but choose not to listen.

They should appoint pnb as there adviser that way he could tell them to get rid of the shower of shit they have loading every panel that way we farriers might save what they seem to have made a mesh of.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Fri May 10, 2013 5:43 am

EW,

Sadly PNB is part of the problem. There is a resistance to block everything he suggests, I feel just because he is PNB and non establishment.

The Ofsted infrastructure implosion was wholly predictable, as year on year the body politic declined to allow the training matrix to modify, they alienated the thinking of the employers and the way the modern job has out of necessity is being done. The daily requirements of modern day farriery paled into non signifciance in the administrative's big picture.

It became obvious with every attempt to bring related education within our proud craft in touch with actual Street Practice. In forty years the required learning needs have moved and in fact tasks have simplified. The body politic kept looking back to what was needed in the early 20th century. Seemingly "Donkeys" were employed to block simplistic yet logical progressions.

The Ofsted outline of colapse was not before time. Suggestion has been made that this would happen for the last 20 years while PNB served on the various Training Committees and on FRC!!

THERE IS STILL HUGE RESISTANCE.

EW, its time to tear and burn!!

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Thu May 16, 2013 5:42 am

Stuart,

Where are you?? You represent us on FRC, what are you doing for us??

Your quote. " why don't the colleges take students for a 3 month course (stage 1 wrenching and clenching )then they find a employer for say 36 months then back to college for 3 months (stage 2) for the dip"".

[Comment 1] I would be fairly certain the way FRC use prosecution for "Wrenching and Clenching" would not stand up in court before a judge!! that is if it were ever challenged. QC's opinion says it wouldn't !! [One opinion only says so [lodged with FRC}. Councils Solicitors would not commit when I asked!!].

Regarding your suggestion about "Stage 2". The Dip WCF would still then be the registration entry point The Worshipful Company's Statutory Empowerment would still be the final say about who becomes a FARRIER or otherwise.

[Comment 2] The WCF Diploma clearly needs some changes in emphises to reflect the current and extensive use of the best quality ready made horse shoes, which reflects the crafts movement away from making Shoes from Bar Stock, something seemingly to a greater part ignored within current college training and assessment,. This has to include a greater awareness regarding systems of "Cold Fitting".

Otherwise you outline should work well.

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Fri May 17, 2013 4:54 pm

All.

It seems apprenticeships in farriery and apprentice training may have today gone into MELTDOWN.

Anybody know anything??

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Sat May 18, 2013 6:01 am

All,

In a phone call between an Employer and the CEO NFTA [Higgins] on Thursday last :-

It was confirmed that all future Farriery Apprenticeships have ceased!!

The Colleges will not take any future Farrier Students PRIVATE or GRANT AIDED.

There is no CENTRAL funding for future farrier apprentices, that is following Ofsted.

It seems efforts are being made to allow Apprentices presently in the scheme to complete their training. No detail of how this was was to happen is detailed.

No information whether NFTA was to continue following the devistaton of their Ofsted Report was be disclosed. However Councilor CRAIG states the NFTA is to continue !! [Treating symptoms maybe once again!!]

As EW says a bit of a F up.

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Sun May 19, 2013 4:50 am

HEADS MUST SURELY NOW NEED TO ROLL!!

All,

It is reported a covey of Emails are flying around, these relate to farrier training and some are related the breakdowns outlined above.

Without doubt the two Emails that have been verbally fed to PNB were calculated to have the effect of getting posted here on the Horse's Mouth! Whatever I don't have a paper trail, even though one was requested yesterday and was not forthcoming, so I have to rely on memory.

1, It seems the colleges have got their heads together almost certainly with the NFTA [as the same story was voiced by the Ceo. NFTA, Higgins on Thursday last and previous to the Email]. The joint statement from the colleges states in an Email that they are totally committed to on going farriery and farrier training, but effectively things are to be put on hold whilst the Ofsted debarcle is concluded. That sounds like a knee jerk reaction and a non permanent measure [Simply Oil on water maybe].

However what the colleges didn't say was the pre-farrier courses they and others run are to continue. Which seems a look after your own backside measure. Especially when as it was reported by an employer that Ceo NFTA, Higgins stated on Thursday that employers have to make the pre-farriers they employ REDUNDANT [could be close 100 lads!!], which are those waiting to go to Farrier College for the first time. Whatever this seems pretty permanent then for both the employers and their young entry employees.

What is this?? REDUNDANCIES bought about by the failure of the apprentice supervisory body [NFTA] to supervise farrier training properly/correctly leading to Ofsted, [its maybe a bit rich]. Seems to be saying get rid of your Kids now!! [many who have shown great commitment and made expensive sacrifices] but just keep our administrative bums on administrative seats and in employment!!

2, A further Email sent by an ATF, one who is within BFBA and the FRC system warns of massive backlashes from employers in light of the above developments and patently reactions to other matters of which I am unaware.

Comment:- If that's what it takes to clean up this TRASH bring it on!!

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Re: OFSTED, FSA N/B!

Postby PNB » Mon May 20, 2013 11:06 am

All,

Still no paper trail, reason given CONFIDENTIALITY !! As one of my clients said more of the wetty knickers syndrome!!

Anyway the verbals continue regarding coveys of Emails.

It seems the FSA [possibly the Financial Services Authority] are putting the screws on the Colleges, the NFTA and its management board. It's rich really them fearing a national funding monitering body when it was them that for whatever reason fell down on their Management Systems and their Training Systems which led to the Ofsted failure!!

What else did they EXPECT!! when they have year on year run the system down to the point of the totally ineffective delivery of young entry farrier training, which has the outline of wasting a vast amount of [FSA superevised] central government monies.

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Re: OFSTED. Employer Bashing!!

Postby PNB » Wed May 22, 2013 5:30 am

All,

The Worshipful Company of Farrier it is reported have joined the Email covey,[still no paper trail!!]. It is reported they still are EMPLOYER bashing as the bulk of their comment relates to forced upskilling of EMPOLYERS. Seems they still don't understand FARRIERS shoe horses in the way they need to, in order to provide a living for themselves and their Employees.

I will make a few strong statements now:-

1, The FRC and WCF created the Farrier Training Service IN ORDER TO DRAW DOWN MONEY. [Comment: Both of whom are benefactors].

2, Public money destined for Education is being SQUANDERED.

3, The bodies involved together with the colleges need to decide if the current framework is still relevant and appropriate.

4,Should the FRC/NFTA be taken out of the training picture and nominated to the colleges.

5, NVQ's distract from teaching and preparing student farriers from achieving statutory insisted upon qualification.

6, It is recorded there is Farrier Student Dissatisfaction regarding the Tutor Led Training delivery and assessments while at college.

7, The Training Farriers have to be made ACCOUNTABLE. [Comment:What when it is they that are providing The Employment with WAGES!! and the various Fees to WCF, FRC, NFTA].

8, The College tutors are DISILLUSIONED College Tutors. [ Comment : are The Tutors then not tasked employees and in fact EMPLOYED to do that job!! If this disillusionment has become so bad maybe they should start shoeing horses again!].

9, Disproportionate allocation of Government Funding is an issue!! [Comment: by FRC some goes up the conduit to WCF, some down the same tube to the Colleges].

10, Why do NFTA duplicate systems and supervisory roles effectively carried out by the colleges.

The above represent a precis of 10 of the 22 comments voiced by The Worshipful Company of Farriers in late 2012. Published by them in FORGE 2012 December issue. The comments are as I hear in the Farrier Street. Is it any wonder Ofsted and FSA have got hold of Farrier Training Costs.

Comment: WCF, the Ofsted Training Collapse within farrier happened on your watch, under your guidance within a system you created, from farrier committees being loaded with WCF nominees. Why should the working CRAFT CONTINUE TO FOLLOW your outlines?? It was the WCF appointees to FRC [Chairman Led] that destroyed working craft input into training 36ish months ago by disbanding the independent of WCF ["Craft Elected"] Training Committee after all and then sacking the one man [Ablett] who had got a grip on things training!! The baby then got flushed away with the bath water.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Wed May 22, 2013 6:49 am

peter you are absolutely spot on with your statement
regarding the emails going around I can confirm that they are, but at present just going in circles they are supposed to be open between the college's frc nfta bfba and wcf but there are allegation's that individuals are frozen out to certain e mails

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Thu May 23, 2013 5:45 am

it has come to my attention today that the establishment are sticking by the current system of government funding I have informed the registrar that I do not agree with this and want no part of it

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Thu May 23, 2013 4:52 pm

Stuart,

Why would the WCF/FRC/NFTA want to go down the government funded route when the ATFs felt so strongly at the recent conference of going self/privately funded??What is it all about sustaining an , Ofsed definitly don't feel its about sustaining a itsout keep a atisfactory level of college based learning!! coud it be it's about maintaining the training administrative structure.

Surely its hypothetical when NFTA are being mothballed untill February 2014 when the it is hoped Ofsted and FSA can be turned around??

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Thu May 23, 2013 8:45 pm

Rewritten above posting.

Stuart,

Still no Paper Trail!!

Why would the WCF/FRC/NFTA want to go down the government funded route when the ATFs felt so strongly against the state funded route at the recent conference, there opting for going self/privately funded??

What is it all about?? Ofsted definitly don't feel its about the delivery of a satisfactory level of college based learning/verification/assessment !! as it isn't happening to the Ofsted required standard !!

I ask could it be it be more about maintaining the training administrative structure and the flow of money both up and down the FRC's drip feed conduit.

Surely its all hypothetical, when it is reported the NFTA are being mothballed untill February 2014, when it is hoped Ofsted and FSA [Name??] can be turned around??

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Fri May 24, 2013 5:15 am

All,

There are other TRAINING PROVIDERS outside Sefton House [FRC NFTA] out here in the real world. Since the the publication of Ofsted's report in The Horse and Hound, without doubt great interest will be being shown to step into the void left by NFTA being moth balled.

One ATF is trying to go it alone to my knowledge, it surely has to be only a matter of time before he links with an established Training Provider in an attempt to simplyfy and revamp the farriey occupational standards, to give a training administration and system of training/assessment and verification that OUR CRAFTSMEN EMPLOYERS can work with, one that satisfies any Ofsted requirements and ones that really does match what the job in 2013 [and forwards] is, and what what the Street Farrier today does!! A Training Provider that is not Incestious with FRC and WCF, a training provider that is prepared to talk with and act upon "The General Craft's" feeling and not block out Craft democratic Inputs!!

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Fri May 24, 2013 5:37 am

Refreshed Ofsted.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Fri May 24, 2013 5:42 am

peter as far as I can see its all about the money!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: OFSTED:- A very sad event.

Postby PNB » Fri May 24, 2013 1:01 pm

All,

This may seem pretty tasteless for me to have to record, but it is reported an apprentice has taken his own life. I spoke with Sefton House today and they confirm this to be the case and that a formal complain has been lodged by the Lads family against the NFTA and its Board.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Sat May 25, 2013 5:39 am

THE REASON WHY NO APPRENTICES WILL NOT BE TAKEN ON IS THAT THE GOV AUTHORITYS HAVE ADVISED ALL PARTIES NOT TO DO SO
the candidates for the july intake have not started there probationary period and therefore are not considered to be in the system

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Re: OFSTED.

Postby PNB » Sat May 25, 2013 6:31 am

Stuart,

That has to be Chicken Feed!!

Farriers Employ!! FRC Draw Down the Government Money> The money is passed on to NFTA [ NFTA wholly a subsidary of FRC]. > NFTA mismanage the Training System!! >The money dries!! > The FRC/NFTA stop EMPLOYMENT of young entry within the farriery !! > They will have to go to COURT!! I hear they the Body Politic put have £900K of accumulated FRC Registration fees aside for that eventuality!!

YET Another tranch of mismanagement. The administrative body have had about 3 months to get their EMPLOYMENT LAW HOUSE in order. It would take a tiny step for FRC to temporarily allow the present employment status or a status slightly legally tweeked to to DEEMED by them [FRC] "A COURSE OF TRAINING" which under the current Approved Training Farriers would without doubt satisfy THE PROVISION WITHIN THE 1975 FARRIERS REGISTRATION ACT.

It has to be the three bodies WCF FRC and NFTA looking after their own asses, probably with an eye on getting a sanitised Ofsted and SFA [skills funding agency] report in February in 2014, a report to meet their own requirement.

Don't the Body Politic realise Farriery, Employer/Employee Farriers don't need GOVERNMENT MONEY, it is them that want/have to have the £2 million each yeat!! so they are prepared to hang Employer Farriers and the Young Entry out to DRY.

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Re: OFSTED.

Postby PNB » Sat May 25, 2013 8:19 am

Stuart,
the
Thus FRC can CUT their incompetent Training Provider out of an incestuous and perverse system, [just what Ofsted and Skills Funding Agency REQUIRE] and that way still allow the businesses of employer farriers and their employed future young entry to forwards function!!

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby PNB » Tue May 28, 2013 12:52 pm

EW,

At your suggestion, I have laid out above in several small bites, "An Administrative System" that would allow training to go forwards with absolutely minimal disruption to Employers and Employment, one having no disruptive influences upon the current Employment of Young Entry whilst still conforming fully with The Farriers Registration Act,1975.

The future of the laid out Systems COULD encompass a new training Provider, [I would suggest the current one FRC/NFTA should be considered to be TOAST], in fact if adopted a Formal Training Provider may well prove to be unnecessary and thus surplus to the Craft's NEEDS!!

Expansive thinking from the Body Politic Farriery needed?

Just a thought about the £900k of FRC monies pledged to fight employment compensation and court costs, one of the reasons NFTA was dreamt up was because nowhere within the Farriers Statute is there a provision to spend registration fees on anything connected with training. The Current Registrar of the FRC pointed this fact out to Council at least twice whilst I served on FRC.

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Wed May 29, 2013 4:47 am

Ofstead are visiting the NFTA this week for there first inspection
Mr Higgins and his staff have prepared a action plan the establishment are supporting the NFTA
looking at the plan things are looking to get a lot tougher for the craft

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Re: OFSTED

Postby PNB » Wed May 29, 2013 5:07 am

Stuart,

Then in your own words who do you feel are "THE ESTABLISHMENT"?? Does it still include yourself??

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Re: OFSTEAD

Postby csc » Wed May 29, 2013 5:48 am

PETER don't shoot the messenger
I am part of the establishment as you well know and we all know who the establishment are
until farriers group together as one nothing will ever change, until you have a firm option nothing will change,
as in a previous posting its all about the money we all know that its not about the craft its about civil servants that run us we a over complicated beurocracy that farriers as a whole are happy to go along with
I as the southern elected member consider it my responsibility to keep everyone informed with the facts, not my opinion
it is your duty if you have a opinion to keep me informed. I am always on the end of the phone 07930323263


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