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ATF meeting stonleigh

Postby csc » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:11 am

we were given a insight into apprentice training of the future.
only 30 or so ATFs turned up
the registrar sent out 191 e mails although there are around 300 ATFs his claim was he didn't have there email address
six people in that office not a illegal farrier caught in the last two years and cant keep up to date with basic information details INCOMPEDENT!!
with ATFs now having to keep up with CPD train the trainer by 2020 and higher examinations the colleges admitted they were concerned
less apprentices was reiterated by the registrar
the colleges , apprentices ,and ATFs are not represented at FRC

MY VIEW

college's will eventually give up training as currently are given a large sum to train( cant remember the exact amount) as ATFs will have to pay for there apprentices averaging around £25 k per year including wages pensions etc, ATFs will undoubtedly look else ware for a labour source and
any training will undoubtabley become in house as will save the tax payer thousands.

ANY VIEWS

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Re: ATF meeting stonleigh

Postby john ford » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:11 pm

You are not entirely correct with your information Stuart, as you know I recorded the whole of this meeting, and you have picked out certain details which would alarm most of us. By reading your post most would think that the ATF had to fork out £24,000 per year, it cost's £24,000 over the FOUR years to train an apprentice, and the ATF gets money back after the apprentice has passed their DipWCF, providing he/she was 16 or 17 years old at the beginning of the apprenticeship, and that they had not been back blocked at college during the four years. Also the ATF as I see it doesn't have to pay as much as £6000 per year for that apprentice, or anything like that sum. In fact it was said at the meeting that if the 16 to 17 year old were taken on and successfully went through the college with no blips, the ATF would get paid back by the college and therefore the extra he put in would all come back.

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Re: ATF meeting stonleigh

Postby PNB » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:21 pm

John,

TO employ a young entry employee apprentice was barely viable 10 years ago, this was before implementation of the £28k ish training fee outlined by FASG chairmanships report given to COUNCIL in late December 2015.

TO pay the young entry wages, paye, NI, digs, Essenlial clothing, tools, mileage and or provide a vehicle made apprentice employment barely viable add to this wages when not in the work place (Holidays College Time Wages),it made it difficult Indeed. Didn,t you stop employing lads about this time.

I feel Stuart is correct apprentice employers will walk away on mass when they attempt to balance their books.

Just as an aside, a slight mistrust is being /has been peddled to often nowadays, The Registration Act was sold to the craft in 1975 as it created a CLOSED SHOP for all the working craft at this time!! A secondary effect was to be an impact for horse welfare from 1975 forwards a formal training structure for farriers could and should have been a beautiful place, which worked well for many that was until FRC and WCF discovered £2.3 millions PA from government grants for young entry employment (flagged up as TRAINING))!! by way of unliberated money which was available and not being claimed!!

"YIPEE a Revenue Stream, jump on the band wagon boys". The working craft needs than became irrelevant, care transparency!, empathy??

History can fill in the rest.

PNB?

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Re: ATF meeting stonleigh

Postby csc » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:40 am

john the 24k per annum per apprentice was a understatement with the minimum wage over £7per hour materials insurances etc. etc. plus the £1 for every £2 the government gives hence the total 24k
so the ATF will have to pay 8k or 2k per year pus the 28 day holidays plus college and by the way the annual figure as given at council by K Willard was 22k in actual annual costs
I just added the 2k hence the 24k is what it will be the cost to pay and train a apprentice yearly
yes the ATF is entitled to some funds returned on completion lets see if that happens?

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Re: ATF meeting stonleigh

Postby john ford » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:49 am

Ok Stuart, lets say I take everything on board of what you say, and all your facts are correct. If we all look back at previous posts, we will find that many of us are alarmed at the number of apprentices qualifying each year. As you well know it is against the law to actually restrict numbers wanting to become farriers, so what can be done? If the cost of training apprentices restricts ATFs from training there will be fewer taken on. We will end up with one School of Farriery making it more cost effective.

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Re: ATF meeting stonleigh

Postby csc » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:11 am

supply and demand if someone has work for a apprentice then they should have freedom to employ its no one else's business if a farrier is struggling
then there are opportunity's customers are not a god given right you have to earn them


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