Equine Digital Elastosis! KC La Pierre

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Equine Digital Elastosis! KC La Pierre

Postby Gay » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:20 pm

I thought this may be of interest to one or two of you with a little time on your side & after a good laugh (tho' it's rather sad imo).
The topic arose on the KC breakaway group forum EPAUK. I hope none of them browse here or I might end up getting the boot as did the only other Oz poster on there after a lazy Sun. arvos' 'sport' as she put it :lol:
I get the impression EDE is 'his' new term for laminitis which he appears to me to view in a far less serious light than most.

"There doesn't seem to be anything on his web site about it as yet, but I'll read with interest as and when he decides to write an article on the subject."

"Well,
I saw that particular 'lecture' ::)
I felt that he'd taken the basic principles of keeping a horse shoefree and was desperately trying to put it in a different packet. To me, it doesn't matter what label you put on it, it's the management that makes all the difference. It's all very well saying that his horses live on 20 acres of grass that's cut every week to four inches but really, how many of us have the opportunity to facilitate that? Course it would help if we all had the Florida climate too, unfortunately here in the UK we've had a summer like no other with heat, humidity and grass literally growing beneath our feet!!"

"Probably shouldn't say this but frankly with hindsight and all that malarkey, this all smacks of extreme desperation on his behalf.

I have every faith in our critical public!!! When will he learn that pushing product and technobabble turns people off??!!"

"Interesting that the DAEPs have yet to jump in on the EE board to defend KC. "

"thanks for the replies and the report Jaynie. I'll take it to be a disease requiring a cheque book"


"Does anyone know what the stuff he was adding to water is? I'm not sure i believe that it made 100% of horses drink all the water - and if it did it is probably just tasty rather than theraputic, but i was wondering what it was."


"For pitty sake :-( Actually the Florida climate is a nightmare - it is hot, humid and very high rainfall - grass grows like stink - the winter isn't bad though. And pardon me, you can keep a horse a 20 acres if you top it to 4 inches? Is this a horse with EDE? And where does he get off with elastosis?

It makes my blood boil that someone, who is seen as being an "expert" on barefoot trimming gets away with this sort of thing. It is interesting to hear what you had to say Jaynie - I took my husband with me to a KC lecture in Edinburgh. KC at that point in time was talking about his heel height calculations and the mechanical properties of the foot. My OH is an engineer specialising in vibration analysis - he had a few choice things to say about KC's understanding of mechanical principals and maths. "

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I have every faith that people will see through him in time. We did! Perhaps not quite quickly enough but he was different in the beginning.

You have to remember that he used to be a salesman. By all accounts he was very good at it .........."

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I think this is the thing. I despise salespeople (apologies to any on the boards ;) ) and you know when a salesman asks your name and then has the audacity to over-use it? That's pretty much how I felt. Pressured, patronised and uncomfortable.

The water stuff was aqua drench/quench ??? something like that. It's a homeopathic thing that you add to water and he did state that it was expensive (surprise!) but that all horses are dehydrated and that it makes them drink... and then they're fixed... voila!

He's branching out to the homeopathic side of things in a big way it seemed. That and the new shoes that he assures us will replace glue ons and every other kind of shoe in the near future."

I particularly liked this comment:


Aug 17, 2009, 9:58pm, Jaynie wrote:
[That and the new shoes that he assures us will replace glue ons and every other kind of shoe in the near future.] Quote



"That'll go down a storm with the farriers in this country then! Way to get us banned in one easy move!!!"

Sorry if it's long, I just thought it'd be worth a look & maybe a laugh or two.





I looked around me at the lecture and saw lots of women all batting eyelashes at him and nodding at his new terminology. The 'breakover' has now been re-labelled the 'power-stroke' and now apparently if we have a horse with what we might call LGL he would call it EDE and give them his homeopathic tincture to encourage them to drink more water...... ??? I felt that he was just undermining anything that anyone else (EPs) might label as one thing, to something 'new' that he's discovered. His facts were shaky as he described how pregnant mares get laminitis due to the hormone 'cortisol' which softens the ligaments for birth ... ummm... that would be relaxin, a completely different hormone ??? Much of it was geared towards selling his products, his 'way' and boggling his audience with long words and (incorrect) facts. Happily it seems that many saw through it as can be seen on the many forums discussing his presentations.
:wink:

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Postby jaimep » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:48 pm

Erm... maybe it loses something 'in translation' Gay but I'm not quite sure what your point is...

I'm a founder member of the EPAUK btw and a friend of R Scott (if that's who you are refering to).

The Pro boards forum is not the EPAUK forum although I know many EPs do post on there. Even so I'm sure nobody would 'boot you off' unless they thought they had good reason.

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Postby Gay » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:10 am

My point is the unnecessary confusion being created by the inventing of meaningless (to the average horse owner) new terms for for an age old 'disease' more generally known as laminitis. Few enough owners are familiar with the latter term, let alone bamboozling them with psycho babble.
I wonder also, how big was the sample in which his study revealed most horses are dehydrated or, in fact, was there even such work undertaken?

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Postby jaimep » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:06 pm

I couldn't agree more. A view that is I am sure shared by most, if not all EP's.

From your original post I wasn't quite sure who you were laughing at or whether you had got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm sure you hadn't.

Regards to Rebbecca.

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Postby Gay » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:21 pm

:lol: :wink:


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